Curse

Junato · Mar 22, 2009, 12:39 PM // 12:39

This is my ogden's skill bar
[build=OwYTksGD3BZEXBJfkSCrolETAA]

This is my tahlkora's skill bar
[build=OwUTM02C1JDQEir01WCI5jETAA]

This is my Mox skill bar
[build=Ogej8ZpM7OMXo7B0lNglulXBAA]

This is my skillbar
[build=OwFj0tf6oSxgDQdPNMHM7PRPuMA]

So here is the problem... I have been farming in jahai bluffs, because there are a lot of bosses there that need to be killed. However, I die constantly.

This is what I am doing.
I am usually the one who picks out the healer in the group and focus all my heroes to kill it and then I just let them work out the rest. The only thing that I am not conscious about is if my choice of heroes and their skills are appropriate. Can someone help me with that.

talisk3 · Mar 22, 2009, 12:55 PM // 12:55

[Healer's Boon] increases the health gained. You really only have a few healing spells. So it's not a good elite choice. [Word of Healing] is amazing and will save you many times over.
M.O.X has no elite. So take a different hero. Maybe a support Paragon. But really if you just bring 1 hero monk and 1 henchmen monk you should be fine. No need to waste 2 heroes on monks.
Also, add runes/insignia's to you AND your heroes. Don't forget henchmen :P

riktw · Mar 22, 2009, 01:16 PM // 13:16

get stone daggers out of ogdens bar please.
if you need insperation on builds for heroes, go to pvxwiki

Buns United · Mar 22, 2009, 01:38 PM // 13:38

You have no protection prayers on your monks' bars.

Your sin will probably run out of energy, and will need to spam critical strike, instead of death blossom. (Also, no ias.)

If you really want to make it easy for yourself, I'd suggest trying Sabway.

Either way, experiment some! See what works, and what doesn't. It may seem like healing breeze (for example) is an awesome skill now. But stay open to suggestions, and try some variations yourself.

Thor Tyr · Mar 22, 2009, 01:49 PM // 13:49

this is what i use on my hero monk

[build=OwYT043A5Zj87kITfkxHJuiGBA]

and if i am running 2 hero monks this is the other build

[build=OwAS8YIPCkZyKhiUPmIb6YC]

this is what i run on my sin

[build=OwBj0tf2IT6P1g/PVQMMHM4OYcA]

these builds could help you stay alive

Kerwyn Nasilan · Mar 22, 2009, 02:04 PM // 14:04

[no elite]-NO
[resurrect]-Really No
[stone daggers]-For the love of _______ NOO

riceangel · Mar 22, 2009, 02:08 PM // 14:08

Two hb monks arent necessary,two healing monks will heal the same target(which isnt necessary) and cause a countinous waste of energy, and then dead people. If those healing monks where WoH hybrids it would keep you alive better,hb isnt used to its full effectiveness when specced into another attribute.A protection or support character(such as a paragon,earth ele,or hybrid mm) along side ur HB is enough to keep u alive.

Your HB bars arent sturdy enough, ogdens bar only has one heal that is boosted by HB.The main advantage is the huge heals that are made by HB, healing breeze isnt a strong heal. A build like Thor's above me is a good choice for a single HB monk.(Also whats with the stone daggers?)

Also in PvE, enemy healers usually arent even that strong, so while u charge at them,u let the rest of the mob attack walk past you and kill ur backline, so pick the weakest enemy that is a threat(such as an assassin or elementalist<--these hurt in harder areas) and destroy it quickly,once u eliminate a couple of them its pretty easy.

[Morkai] · Mar 22, 2009, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor Tyr

this is what i use on my hero monk

[build=OwYT043A5Zj87kITfkxHJuiGBA]

and if i am running 2 hero monks this is the other build

[build=OwAS8YIPCkZyKhiUPmIb6YC]

this is what i run on my sin

[build=OwBj0tf2IT6P1g/PVQMMHM4OYcA]

these builds could help you stay alive

Why do you run [RC] and [Dismiss Condition]?

Also OP: try refining your hero bars, you have 24 skill slots to work with, so make sure each skill is worth it's slot on the bar.

Usually on a monk hero i like to bring 3 Heal spells, for example [WoH][Patient Spirit][Dwayna's Kiss]. 2 Utlity spells; [Dismiss Condition][Cure Hex], and usually some prot, [Aegis][Protective Spirit].

Also, i'd avoid melee heroes, they're rather bad at what they're supposed to do.

BrettM · Mar 22, 2009, 02:38 PM // 14:38

For the love of Dwayna, set your hero monks to Avoid Combat. They shouldn't be fighting at all, much less trying to sling Stone Daggers around. Let them concentrate on keeping the party healed. I not only set my hero monks to Avoid, I also give them caster-modded spears and a healing or protting focus.

Thor Tyr · Mar 22, 2009, 02:38 PM // 14:38

the rc monk i usually only use where i know there are alot of conditions other then that i would run a hench monk

Daesu · Mar 22, 2009, 03:05 PM // 15:05

Sorry but your hero builds are the most terrible that I have ever seen. Spammable stone daggers to drain your healing monk's energy on a weak attack with only 6 earth magic? No condition removal to support your melee? Heal party instead of direct healing spells that synergize with divine favor from a primary monk? Healing Breezes? Mox's bar is terrible too and no elite?

riktw · Mar 22, 2009, 04:51 PM // 16:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by ac1inferno

To be more specific:

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Category:G...ng_hero_builds

yes, even more specific:
HB build:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Mo/E...7s_Boon_Healer
Derv build:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build

/any_PvE_Avatar_of_Melandru

more questions, just say it

TheodenKing · Mar 22, 2009, 05:16 PM // 17:16

For starters, "Dying" not "dieing."

A lot of fail on your hero bars. Too much for adjusting... you need to scrap them and start over.

Go to pvxwiki and find sabway and discordway. Run one of those on your heores. Once you see how effective they are, you can tweak them to your liking. Also on that note, heroes don't know how to use [glyph of lesser energy] correctly. So even if you don't use a pvxwiki build, make one that doesn't need the glyph for energy management.

Regarding your skillbar, realize that if you are running [save yourselves], that means you are giving +100 armor to your heroes and making yourself very soft in comparison. SY is a great skill... but if YOU are dying quickly, consider not making yourself such a target.

Junato · Mar 22, 2009, 09:01 PM // 21:01

I did not know I would get so much attention out of this thread.
Anywho, I was planning on having 2 heroes Ogden and tahlkora, but the paragon speech from someone gave me some insight.

By the way My ogden is always at avoid combat.

Kenzo Skunk · Mar 23, 2009, 06:04 PM // 18:04

[Word of Healing][Patient Spirit][Dwayna's Kiss][Cure Hex][Dismiss Condition][Aegis][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Rebirth]

This is all you`ll ever need from a monk hero. You could switch [Dwayna's Kiss]for [Protective Spirit] if you want more prot and if foes deal massive damage. And this one will cover most of the areas/missions. No need to waste two hero slots on two monks. Take damage dealers instead.

brakner · Mar 23, 2009, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenzo Skunk

[Word of Healing][Patient Spirit][Dwayna's Kiss][Cure Hex][Dismiss Condition][Aegis][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Rebirth]

This is all you`ll ever need from a monk hero. You could switch [Dwayna's Kiss]for [Protective Spirit] if you want more prot and if foes deal massive damage. And this one will cover most of the areas/missions. No need to waste two hero slots on two monks. Take damage dealers instead.

Have you noticed Dunk is a bit of an idiot when it comes to [Patient Spirit]? I take 100 damage, he cast it on me, doesn’t see a healing result so cast [Word of Healing]. I then see like 5 green numbers over my head for like 300+ healing including Divine bonus. Complete waste of energy and now I have 2 skills on recharge , I changed it for [Words of Comfort] because he’s clueless it seems.

Karate Jesus · Mar 23, 2009, 06:34 PM // 18:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor Tyr

the rc monk i usually only use where i know there are alot of conditions other then that i would run a hench monk

Still....why would you use RC and dismiss condition? RC has a 2 second recharge, there's no reason for dismiss.

FoxBat · Mar 23, 2009, 06:42 PM // 18:42

Yeah, I hate patient spirit on heroes, unless I'm running something stupid like [Healer's Covenant]. I don't know how that UA wiki build got 5'd considering how fast heros whip through energy with useless patients. Then again I generally don't like non-smiter monk heroes at all, and run either n/rts, n/mos, or Renewal prot spammers. Infinite energy > infinite hero stupidity.

Jensy · Mar 23, 2009, 06:57 PM // 18:57

No, no no no no. Why do people take rez skills on monks? Rez skills are for other heroes! /poing

[Word of healing][protective spirit][dismiss condition][remove hex][patient spirit][reversal of fortune][aegis][glyph of lesser energy]

14 healing, 10 prot, 10 divine. Can also change out PS for [Spirit Bond]

Seriously, don't take a rez on your monks

Rezzes eat up energy, if your monk is too busy rezzing everyone guess what, yep no energy to heal your party.

Also, for the love of god, if you MUST give them a rez, give them [resurrection chant]. Rebirth kills the entire energy pool, and resurrect... I think I'd just prefer if it I were left for dead, than be rezzed with that x_x

Super Igor · Mar 23, 2009, 08:29 PM // 20:29

lol, with these heroes no wonder you die alot.

[build prof=a/w box dagger=14 crit=13][critical agility][critical eye][brawling headbutt][golden fox strike][wild strike][moebius strike][death blossom][save yourselves!][/build]
[build prof=mo/e box heal=14 prot=10 divine=10][word of healing][dwayna's kiss][dismiss condition][protective spirit][guardian][cure hex][glyph of lesser energy][aegis][/build]
[build prof=mo/rt box smite=14 chan=10 divine=9][ray of judgment][splinter weapon][smite condition][smite hex][reversal of damage][smiters boon][strength of honor][death pact signet][/build]
[build prof=d/n box mysticism=12 blood=11 wind=10][arcane zeal][order of pain][dark fury][watchful intervention][faithful intervention][vow of piety][imbue health][mystic healing][/build]

Here, same setup of dual monk and a derv but with much more dommages and surviveability. If you still die with this urbad.